Geneology

[Lady Bump]

Everyone wants to know where they come from:grin:

Yes its my hobby, more of a task now, Ive hunted down the roots of the family on both sides for about 10 years and gone back to the 14th century one side and 16th the other.
Not a big task if you keep on track, but a neverending one as there is always a new name to add or close off.
Lots of skeletons and suprises to be found. If youve thought on starting your tree. I may be able to help you get started. Im no expert but muddled through mine ok.
:cheers:

[Sue]

How do you get started? Is it basically getting births, death and marriage cert and going from there..

[Lady Bump]

Easiest way is starting with yourself and spouse and progress back to your parents. It much easier if you have a programme on your computer which you can get free off the internet.
Once you get the basic next of kin.. thats where the fun starts, you must remember, two generations ago lots of things were hidden and not talked about.. Your parents wedding certificate is a good place to look, to confirm names, death certificates for hidden births not ever talked about, or dates that may have been.. shall we say told to you different [and you probably wont pick this up till you actually look] to hide some secret:grin:

[Jarmodi]

my sister has been doing that also, we are back to the 16th century, just found out over the weekend related to joesph lyons who was premier of tasmania, then became prime minister related to ellen carroll who was his mother.

[Lady Bump]

Suprising who you come across, Sir Donald is on a branch of Kbs. He married into that side of the family.
Lots of research when you get back a bit. Ive spent hours at the library going through old films.

[Jarmodi]

actually on my moms side we found another brother, who died at birth, then just recently found a great great great great grandmother had more children than we first found..actually it lead to my sister contacting a person in england, who had wondered about the family, they seemed to have disappeared from england and ireland in his search, so my sister brought him up to date, and then it lead us to distant relatives in newzealand./she paid 20.00 one of, to this web site and have unlimited resources......

[Jarmodi]

Suprising who you come across, Sir Donald is on a branch of Kbs. He married into that side of the family.
Lots of research when you get back a bit. Ive spent hours at the library going through old films.very exciting

[Kitkat]

sounds very interesting, but what happens if you come from a non English speaking background?

[Lizziemaloo]

I have been very lucky with my fathers side, all the research has been done, on Brinsmead.net detailing from 13th century in Devon,and Cornwall...to the 1830,s when the London firm of John Brinsmead piano maker was established.... right through to the present day.... we were a huge family,and it is amazing site, I am indeed grateful for all the research people have done over the years.... and of course for the internet, which has made it possible for us to look at..... Lizzie:wave:

[Lady Bump]

sounds very interesting, but what happens if you come from a non English speaking background?

If they came to Australia there will be records somewhere, may take a bit longer because back then, names were written as they sounded, for instance Kb's surmname fanned out to Beaven Beven Bissen, think there are 8 different spellings I came across. Not everyone was literate.
Another example is Martin. We know he came to tassie from Canada, was French Canadian but no record of his arrival, so its a matter of searching ship records now, we have his mothers name and know a brother came too..and thats a library job, info is available on internet but the transfer from microfilm and ship records isnt always correct and some are missed.

Then its the same procedure going into the said countries archives for more information. Dont waste money getting certificates first up do the leg work, most relatives can remember at least 3 generations back, and usually one of these relative will have the said certificates poked away or a family bible will come to light. Another option.. grave yards, plenty of info on the headstones as well. Make sure you take chalk to highlight the markings to read inscription better if weathered:)
I've looked at yours Joan and its a great record, ours is going to print soon as well.

[Bugs]

:wave: Hi Julie
I've did some tracing of my family tree and found that some of our ancestors came from tassie.

[Lady Bump]

:3rofl3: :3rofl3: yes have seen that name down here.. which area in particular lester, think Id better go through my records see if it pops up anywhere:laughing: Hell we could be blood brothers:3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Bugs]

Will find some of the info and email it to you.

[Lady Bump]

Convict stock I reckon lester:laughing:

ok look forward to looking at it, never know I may be able to add something as Ive tons of printouts from the archives:hyper:

[Sue@Home]

Julie, my uncle has done the same with our family name, he also has gone back to the 14th century, we go back to English, Welsh and French.. No matter what I try I cannot find my own father, I know his name that he was in the army barracks at Maribynong he was an Electrician. This was our big family secret... I never found out till I was 27.:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Lady Bump]

You should be able to get his discharge papers and service record from the army. also some listings on the gov, internet pages. Electoral rolls, Census are a good place to start,wills and probate, no one can hide from the government, also he would have had a pension of some kind. if you have his birth /or death date you can apply for a certificate.
Im good old scottish/irish mixture, says it all doesnt it:3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lizziemaloo]

I have always been the historian, in our family,we have had an amazing lot of variations in spelling the name Brinsmead, especially through the middle ages,as you say Julie, a lot of people were illiterate, or spelt it as it sounded... very interesting, looking at where people, sprang from, even just from yesterday, there is a wealth of information already....interesting several have Tassie roots, I saw months ago, someone, mentioned, in the forum, they were a decendant of Captain James Cook,s family..cant think who it was..my grandmother, was an Elizabeth Cook from Yorkshire, she never spoke about it, but my father did, as much as he knew,telling us way back, when we were just kids,at primary school...Julie thats great,your history, going to print, people want to know now,more than ever, I think , if possible,... things about the past, after all they were, people just like us, but living in different era,s ....Lizzie:wave:

[Lady Bump]

We have Twining in the family line as well, now maybe I should write and see if Im in line for some of the wealth Twinings tea have.:laughing: Also a convict, not my side of course:hahaha: now he reigned terror in the north. his convict reports were interesting reading, were brutal and too the point.
I have collected several old photos and loved the gowns and lace era myself, very feminine.

[Michael@ton]

Whilst on holidays in Scotland my mother continued the search she had started whilst here way back in the mid 1980's, as Australia is only 200+ years old, in European terms, very young, she came across alot of interesting developments, my lineage focuses mainly on my mother's side, as my dad died when I was 10, the only real info on him is that Adlington originates from the Bordeaux reion of France and the "ton" on the end means "son of", much like the Scottish Mc, which has the exact same meaning "son of", obviously not real keen on having baby girls (like the Chinese these days, with their one child per family rule, they certainly don't want daughters and horrible autrocities have been committed because of it). :!!!icon31 :!!!icon31 , yes even that bad.

I hope I haven't taken over your Thread, Julie, but I am getting to the point but needs the correct introduction, hope I'm not boring everyone. Anyway she was sble to go to the town of my foremothers and was lucky enough to be able to contact the know-all of the village, seems that in Olde contries each village has an alder who either keeps track of this sort of thing, if you are lucky they write it down, if not they use their own memory .
My mother found that my maternal grandfather's grandfather cxame to Australia from the Scottish village, Stirling, and the ship he sailed over on was owned by his mothers family. Amongst my foreberers, I can count Robert Burns (Poet extrordinaire) and the Scot of all Scots, William Wallace(played by our own Mel Gibson in the movie "Breaveheart").
Holding pride of place in my home is the Wallace Coat of Arms, ('PRO LIBERTATE') along with a piece of the Wallace tartan. As with everything there is always problems as Julie mentioned, as their were two families with the name Wallace, but luckily my mother was able to get to the right line without too much trouble. :confused: :confused: :confused: . A great hobby that if you have the time and means can keep one occupied, for a lifetime so as to speak.
That'll do for me , I'll take a seat on the floor and wait for our Capouccino machine, all going well, Big A hasn't said no so I'll take that as a positive affirmation and look forward to reading the instructions. Ta Big A, everyone will get a lot of use out of it and we promise to keep it as new. :23goodjob :23goodjob :23goodjob :23goodjob

My signature is a form of Geneology, I wanted to let people know where I came from and who was following. :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: .

[Lady Bump]

Your mother was lucky to get on the right line, I spent 12 months going down the wrong one myself. so have two trees done:laughing: Another oddity which caused this was the christian names. It was usual for one brother to take his brothers or fathers name for his children. and for the brother to do the same . thus ending up.. say with a pile of Johns in the one family:smirk: This has happened in Kbs line two brothers with 6 kids, named exactly the same, found out afterwards it was a carefull plan to hide a dirty little secret:3rofl3:

[Ewok]

Yes I also have done the family Tree...it can get you so involved that everything pales then. I have some sites if you are interested

[Lady Bump]

Yes once you start you need to keep going,its like a fever, know for months I became the library rat was always in there searching. Was while doing the tree I got my first computer:3rofl3: not sure how it led me to Pm though, dont think they were mentioned anywhere:3rofl3:
Have you uploaded your tree to the net Jill?

[Sue@Home]

I know that my great great grandfather stowe away on a ship from England to Australia and left his great fortune behind, this is another big family secret. My Mothers family name is Collett. My Fathers family name is Martin. I think also that the Martins also came from Tassie.

[Lady Bump]

Have lots of Martin info here, as its Kbs mothers maiden name.

[Ewok]

Yes...uploaded it a long time ago....would have to check now. It was very interesting doing..
We went to Canberra and stopped for lunch and asked at the Information Centre where this place Ginnunderra was...they asked who I wanted and it turned out the guy is famous down there. They gave me directions and I found the original farm and the church that he built.absolutely gorgeous....still standing today and church used only a few years ago as well

[Jarmodi]

my grandmothers name suem is martin..

[Lady Bump]

When you check , do put up the link:hyper: interesting reading I think..Maybe joan could do the same.
Im just trying to copy some papers here but Hp is proving difficult at present must be the cold :hahaha: None of mine is on the web yet, all been done and in book form. although the one going in print now might make the web, chap who is organising is computer literate:3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lady Bump]

Hell vonster dont tell me we may be related:3rofl3: think this thread should be locked now before you answer:3rofl3::3rofl3:

[Blanche]

I started on the family tree once....looks like it's only a shrub:3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3: Never got past about 4 generations...not sure i want to know:3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Sue@Home]

Julie I tried the deaths and births a long time ago not knowing his bithdate or year makes it hard, I did find some deaths with the same name but the location did not add up. I know the person that my mother did marry after my birth was my fathers cousin so I did have the same sir name as my father.. .. so many lies have been told. So if you know any Martins in Tassie you can probe them, then you will know more than me.:laughing: :laughing:

[Jarmodi]

Hell vonster dont tell me we may be related:3rofl3: think this thread should be locked now before you answer:3rofl3::3rofl3:hmmmmmmmmmmmmm related on my goodness :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: I thought the martin name was in suem, family, is in yours too, dont forget, joe lyons, from tassie, is a relation.:lmaoblue: ooops just re read the the thread.....if there is any mary martins on your tree, bumps, then guess what.....

[Lady Bump]

A common name Vonster Im not going looking :3rofl3: :3rofl3: I have a picture of and early mary Ill try and get it up later when I thump the copier a bit more:3rofl3:

[Sue@Home]

Hi Vonnie, I know there was a Mary Martin on my step fathers side who was a cousin of my real dad..

[Jarmodi]

your safe bumps all martins re are related too, came direct to vic and south australia, as far as we know none to tassie, as for joe lyon, direct relative great great grandparents, thick I have enough greats in there...:lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue:

[Jarmodi]

Hi Vonnie, I know there was a Mary Martin on my step fathers side who was a cousin of my real dad.. what was step fathers name, and what area did the mary martin come from suem...

[Michael@ton]

Jill would love to have those sites PM'd to me, if not too much trouble. TA!!!

[Sue@Home]

My Step proposily I was told as a child was my real fasther was STANLEY MARTIN

[Jarmodi]

thanks sue

[Sue@Home]

Vonnie, Stanley Martins Mother, was a Campbell. I was just talking to my mum I might be wrong about.. the Mary Martin as my mothers name was Gloria Mary Martin This Martin family did come from Tasmania.

[Jarmodi]

thanks sue.... no relation, my mary martin from gippsland...interesting though, how different families, trees, develope

[Lady Bump]

The origin of WILSON .

The name was first recorded in Scotland at the fifteenth Century, and until several years ago most common surname in Scotland.
A John Wulson was a merchant in the service of Sir John of Mountgomery in 1405, Michael Wilsoun was burgess of Irvine in 1418 and a John Wilson was burgess of Berwick in 1467. A James Wilson whose father was from Eastforth, Lanark, bought the lands of Hinschelwood & Cleugh, Carnwath, in 1655. His descendant John Wilson(1809-89) of Airdrie, was created a baronet in 1906. David Wilson (1805-98) whose family was descended from a family which Ii ved in Berwickshire in the seventeenth century was made a baronet in 1920. He himself was from Carbeth. James Wilson (18291905) was a solicitor of Falkirk,and was a descendant of Wilson of Ashmore, Perthshire.
The Wilsons of Bannockburn were pioneers in the industrialisation of tartan weaving and in the marketing of clan and district tartans.
beginning of the it was the fifth
The northern WILSONS are ranked as a sept of Clan GUNN, through George Gunn's son William, who flourished in the fifteenth century.The Gunns suffered severely in the Highland Clearances of the early 19th century, and many of the Gunns moved down to the coast to fish from little villages along the cliffs. In one of these villages Dunbeath,21 miles south of Wick a member of the Gunn clan has created a Gunn museum and history centre, but take note that it is closed from the beginning of October for the winter. The clan were noted for their war-like and ferocious character, their motto being EITHER PEACE OR WAR.
The Gunn tartan is easily available but the Wilson (Ancient) tartan is not so easily obtained. It was designed by William Wilson of the Bannockburn firm, for his wife, Janet, in the early nineteenth century.
Some of the variations of the surname are: - Villsone, Willesoun, Willson, Wilsoine, Wilsowne, Wilsoune,Vylsone, Wulsone,and Wyleson. The name was also said to be very common in Glasgow in the sixteenth century.

A page taken from my family tree book,luckily compiled by another tree member as literally thousands of names in there.
Ill also have a peek for Gloria, as I have the printouts from microfilm here on Tassie Martins Sue..

[Jarmodi]

wow...just great reading bumps

[Lady Bump]

A couple of decendants sure to have been fashion statements in their day:3rofl3:

[Blanche]

A couple of decendants sure to have been fashion statements in their day:3rofl3:
No Black rose attire available then, Bumps:3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lady Bump]

Can't put those snaps up here Ol:3rofl3:

[Wangavegas]

Hmmm very interesting Bumpy... Wilson name is one i know reasonably well.. Going back too the Earl of Fife <---- not sure on the spelling there...

[Lady Bump]

Actually A wilson strayed to NZ and never returned,:3rofl3: :3rofl3: Know anything about it:laughing:

[Blanche]

Kevin Wilson not a rel. here is he:3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lady Bump]

:3rofl3: :3rofl3: Youre madder than me:3rofl3:

[Sue@Home]

I will have to get some photo snaps sent down from NSW of my mothers family the Colletts, boy could they dress up well. Nice photo snaps Julie, This sight is really intruiging.:thumb:

[Blanche]

:3rofl3: :3rofl3: Youre madder than me:3rofl3:
:3rofl3: Not quite...I'm not rocketing towards post 69000:lmaoblue: :lmaoblue: :lmaoblue:

[Lizziemaloo]

my mother, had an interesting maiden name, as well... Hepburn....the most famous one was James Hepburn...Earl of Bothwell...and favourite courtier of Mary Queen of Scots...... of all the things I have read about it, theres no one who can exactly lay claim,even up to this present time, the article said........When the original de Brinsmead,s, as they were then left Normandy, in France, for England... on the boat with William the Conquer... one of the other family,s,also on the boat were the Spencers....Princess,s Diana,s ancestors... what a lot of stuff, we are unearthing, and airing,... its so much fun remembering, isnt it.... Lizzie...........James Hepburn married Mary Queen of Scots, he was her 3rd husband, just checked up on that, I had forgotten about it !!!! Lizzie

[Sue@Home]

my mother, had an interesting maiden name, as well... Hepburn....the most famous one was James Hepburn...Earl of Bothwell...and favourite courtier of Mary Queen of Scots it.... Lizzie Is that where they get the name of Hepburn springs.. Lizzie:wave:

[Lady Bump]

Thats interesting Joan, never know what youre going to find jump out from the past.
One interesting thing I found, was the fear of gossip, A GG aunt had a wayward daughter, who fell pregnant out of wedlock, this daughter was locked away for the 9 months, after the birth the child was bought up as the mothers son. The daughter took off and married the childs father and had a further 14 children, and none of them were ever told, their known "uncle" was actually their brother. I approached Kbs uncle about it and was once again sworn to secrecy as the remaining sister aged 98 was still alive.
When my own grandfather passed away the same thing came out,the person whom he regarded as his sister was his mother, so that changed the line in my mothers side, because I then tracked down his real father.

[Lizziemaloo]

Is that where they get the name of Hepburn springs.. Lizzie:wave: Hi Sue....have passed through Hepburn Springs, on our way back from Sovereign Hill, when I lived in Victoria, many moons ago.... no doubt named after an old identity of the times....mums lot lived all their lives, in Tassie, in fact I was amazed at the amount of Hepburns, that were around here in the 1800,s, mainly around the east coast, of Tassie.... very few here now, it seems... I looked at the Hepburn site, a few times, and got quite overwhelmed with all the detail....Audrey and Katherine,s history is there as well....it all makes for rather interesting reading, I have to say, wondering how everyone is connected,... or more to the point ...if they are.....Lizzie:wave:

[Peter Vic]

It much easier if you have a programme on your computer which you can get free off the internet.

The mormons have a great wealth of geneological information too..
Other good sources are the app. state libraries as well....

Peter...

[Ewok]

Jill would love to have those sites PM'd to me, if not too much trouble. TA!!!

Michael...just checked and havent got them on hard drive (must of lost them last format...bummer)...know I have them on paper so will do a spread sheet and get them to you when I can.

[Ewok]

Aust. Capital Territory, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.rgo.act.gov.au/bdm.htm

Australasia Births Deaths & Marriages Exchange

http://www.ausbdm.org/>

Australia, National Archives

http://www.naa.gov.au/

Australia, National Archives - War Service recirds

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp

Australia, WW2 Nominal Roll

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/

Australian War Memorial

http://www.awm.gov.au/

Britain, National Archives

http://www.pro.gov.uk/

Britain, National Archivist - Including data bases

http://www.nationalarchivist.com/index.cfm

Cambridgeshire (ENG) Wills Surname Index

http://www.cfhs.org.uk/camwisdex.html

Commonwealth War Graves Commission

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx

England & Wales, Births, Deaths & Marriage Indexes on Line

http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/

England, 1901 Census

http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/

England, Free Births, Deaths & Marriages Index- Continually being updated

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

England, London Borough of Richmond - Cemetery Services (incl. Burial Register Search)

http://www.richmond.gov.uk/depts/env/envplanning/cemeteries/default.htm#SearchCemeteryRegistersOnline

England, National Archives - Documents on Line, incl. Wills, War medals etc.

http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Genealogy Sites - Cyndi's List

http://www.cyndislist.com/

Genealogy Web Site Links

http://www.wags.org.au/genisite.htm

Genealogy Web Sites - Cora Num's

http://www.coraweb.com.au/

Genealogy Web Sites - Hugh Wallis' - including IGI Batch numbers

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/

Genfindit - Vital Records on Line - England, Scotland, Ireland & Australasia

http://www.genfindit.com/

Genseek Genealogy

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/index.htm

Gode Cookery, concentrating specifically on medieval & Renaissance food & cookery;

http://www.godecookery.com/

Historical Manuscripts Commission National Register of Archives (ENG)

http://www.hmc.gov.uk/nra/nra2.htm

Ireland (Northern), Public Records Office - including lots of links

http://www.proni.gov.uk/

Ireland, National Archives

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/index.html

Kent (ENG) Archaeology Society - Research for documents & records

http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk

Kent (ENG) Births, Deaths & Marriage Indexes

http://extranet2.kent.gov.uk/kccextranet/sp/rois/home.html

Kent (ENG) Cemetery Monumental Inscriptions

http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIslist.htm

Kent, Eng - Fawkham & Hartley Parish (incl. Burial register)

http://www.fawkhamandhartley.org.uk/History/SMCBurialRegisterSearch.htm

Kent, West (ENG) - Index to wills to 1650 & History of Sevenoaks

http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/kwills.htm#sname

New South Wales State Library

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/

New South Wales, Archives / State Records

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

New South Wales, Land & Property Information

http://lpi-online.lpi.nsw.gov.au/

New South Wales, Office of Information & Technology - Includes Copyright Guidelines

http://www.oit.nsw.gov.au/

New South Wales, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/

New Zealand - Shadows of Time - British & New Zealand records including data bases

http://shadowsoftime.kiwiwebhost.biz/index.html

New Zealand Genealogy - PearlsPad - Impressive collection of genealogical and general interest historical records, particularly for the area from Coromandel to the Bay of Islands including some NZ-wide resources.

http://pearlspad.net.nz/

New Zealand Genealogy Index - Provides an index of the births, deaths and marriages notices published in Wellington newspapers since 1 January 2000.


http://www.genealogy-index.co.nz/

New Zealand Genealogy Links

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Links/GenealEtC.html

New Zealand History - Helens' Page - Variety of primary source material relating mainly to the region from mid to lower North Island

http://www.angelfire.com/az/nzgenweb/

New Zealand, Archives

http://www.archives.govt.nz/archivesnz/links_frame.html

New Zealand, Registy of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.bdm.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Births-Deaths-and-Marriages-Index?OpenDocument

Northern Territory, Archives

http://www.nt.gov.au/dcis/nta/

Northern Territory, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/graphpages/bdm/index.shtml

Parish Register Transcription Society (UK)

http://www.prtsoc.org.uk/

Queensland, Archives

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/

Queensland, Brisbane City Burials

http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:2137256505:pc=PC_899#

Queensland, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/home.htm

Scotland, General Register Office

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php

Scotland, maps 1560-1928

http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html

South Australia, Archives / State Records

http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/

South Australia, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/bdm/index.html>

Surname Navigator / Search Engine

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/china/

Tasmania, Archives

http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/

Tasmania, Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages

http://www.naa.gov.au/

Tasmania, Southern RegionCemetery Trust Records

http://www.srct.com.au/search.html

UK - Genealogy Links

http://www.genealogy-links.co.uk/

UK Genealogy (incl. Surname lists, look up exchanges & mailing lists)

http://www.ukgenealogy.co.uk

UK Northeast website - Yorkshire, Durham, Northumberland

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uknortheast

UK Surnames Listings

http://www.county-surnames.co.uk/index.mv

UK, 1841-91 Census on Line - including free search

http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

UK, Old Maps

http://www.old-maps.co.uk

Victoria, Archives

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/

Western Australia, Archives / State Records

http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/index.html

[Michael@ton]

Thanks Jill I'll flick through them right away.

No really it is great that you actually trusted them to me, I know they are of public knowledge, but the work taken to put all them together would have taen some time I think I'll save them to disc and as the time arises compare notes with my mother's, who by the way are all hand written and some even locked in safe keeping , in her brain, the safest place they could be as she as a memory as sharp as a tack, Ta Jill.

[Michael@ton]

Something I fogot to add Jill, do the UK ones cover Scotland, as my lineage is definitely Scottish on my mother's side, the one I'm interested in, no matter if they aren't as I find it plearurable to read about the exploits of all our ancestors, a crazed lot they were at that. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Makes my little indiscretions pale into insignificance. :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27

[Lady Bump]

A good list there Jill and very helpfull for those starting out, Ive Australian/new zealand complete records, on disc, which can be bought from the genealogy society.
You comment on the church records Pete are also true, but I advise anyone to recheck. From a family incident, I know this information is given , and not always correct.[dates, etc]

[Sue@Home]

Jill, Thank you forn the list, I will try to find out something about my dad

[Lizziemaloo]

Something I fogot to add Jill, do the UK ones cover Scotland, as my lineage is definitely Scottish on my mother's side, the one I'm interested in, no matter if they aren't as I find it plearurable to read about the exploits of all our ancestors, a crazed lot they were at that. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Makes my little indiscretions pale into insignificance. :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27 :!!!icon27 Couldnt agree more with those pale into insignificance comments.....they were certainly a different lot of people.... thats for sure... what wild times, they were....I shouldnt think, there would have been many nerve problems, back then.... no time to worry or stew on things .... you either lived.... or you died.... spent last night, reading up on the exploits of James Hepburn,in Scotland during the 1500,s a lot of new info there....the enemys, and the plottings, of those times, are just mind bogging to read.... had to have a few breaks, along the way, to recover in the process I found.....Lizzie:wave:

[Ewok]

Julie is quite right about the spelling of those times as a lot of people were illiterate. Also when the records got sent to I think it was the Phillipines to be put on fische then many mistakes were also made.
Also people had commonlaw marriages as well...or couldnt get to churches to get married

[Lady Bump]

Youve probably all seen at one time a war photo of a gunner strapped to his gun while the ship went down. Here is a snippet also taken from the Wilson family book.
EDWARD/TED SHEEAN.
This young man was a Great Grandson of Andrew Greig Wilson, and he died a hero when he was only 19 years old (at least, shortly before his nineteenth birthday).
He was an Ordinary Seaman on the ill-fated corvette H.M.A.S.
Armidale on the 2nd December 1942, when in the Arafura Sea about 112Km off Timor, the corvette was fired upon by Japanese bombers. Ted Sheean had the chance to jump overboard with other members of the crew, but instead in an attempt to save as many of his mates as possible, and while the corvette was sinking fast with men wallowing in the sea and being fired upon, he strapped himself to the anti -aircraft gun near the stern and started firing.Although he had been wounded twice, bullets were seen coming from the sea moments after the corvette had disappeared.
The corvette was being attacked by 13 Japanese bombers, . but Sheean was responsible for destroying one bomber, and damaging two others, and most certainly he saved the lives of at least 50 men by his heroic action.
Six Collins Class Submarines are on the drawing board of the Royal Australian Navy, and will enter service from the mid 1990 's. They will offer longer periods of submerged endurance with greater underwater speed, deeper diving, and easier to move, as against the Oberon Class. Each of the boats has been named for a distinguished former RAN member, some of whom gave their lives for their country.
The six boats to be named are:-
COLLINS, FARNCOMB, WALLER, DECHAINEUX, SHEEHAN, and RANKIN.

[Kitkat]

is there any way of of making a sticky out of Jill's list??

[Ewok]

I am just hoping they are still current Kat.....I did this about 7-8 years ago. Anyway just hope it helps someone.

[Michael@ton]

Saw my mother on our trip to see my little boy and as I had told her about the project she had started on years ago (re: William Wallace), to my surprise she had photo-copied the 6 page booklet of my ancestry, which makes for good reading , as we witnessed a couple of posts earlier, when Julie was telling that fascinating account of the sailor.

What I find amazing is the way that so many families stuck with the same Christian names, one of the reasons could be there lack of education 3 - 4 hundred years ago, but also the fact that a man was judged by his name in those days, rather more enlightened these days, thankfully. If a father's gradfather had been a hero of sorts or a man of wealth, then there was every chance that most of his male descendants, the first living male of each descendant, I am referring to; they usually took upon their greatgrand-father's Christian name, their father's thinking being he will be recognised for the great deeds of his forefather's.

It really is a fascinating hobby and I know that I have learnt a lot of it sitting down with my grandfather, whilst he was cutting my hair or on visits to my great-grandfather, although I had very little time with him, but he lived a full and enriched life.

Thank-you Julie for the fascinating memoirs that you have re-woken.

[Lady Bump]

History books on early settlers claim that many Irish folk deliberately commintted minor offences, so as to get transported. They used crime to escape the famine in Ireland and between 1777-1853, around 48,000 [criminals] were sent from Ireland and Britain. 4,000 girls and women were transported to work as domestics.
Between 1721-1853. around 50.000 starved or died of typhus and smallpox, their resistance weakened by malnutrition. [according to history books]The word convict was looked upon as a disgrace, by the free settlers... so that takes me back to names.
Hubbys Family:
Sentenced for a petty crime, achieved accolades from his owner who sponsered his brother to come out also to work on his property.
Both married.
Back in Ireland the father died so the remaining family were sponsered and emigrated as well..All employed and living in the same area, Their childrens Names Mary 3 Margaret 3 Thomas 2 Micheal 3 John 3 all in hope the convict stigma would be lost in the confusement of names. Between 1815 and 1900 Mary was used 14 times John 14, Micheal 11. John is still the most prominent Family name.

[Lizziemaloo]

This has to be a happy ending convict story... if there ever was such a thing... they all started of terrible......recently it came to light, my great great grandfather, on my mothers side, worked in Worship St London, with his father, who had a boot shop there... he was16 at the time, authoritys came, got him, took him away.... all because they said he gave an important customer, the wrong change.... he got life for that ...sent to Tassie on a boat called the Bengal Merchant.....arrived here 10th August 1828... with 170 other male convicts..... he by this time had changed his name from Benjamin Gifford.... to Giffen.....he was in the boot repair shop at Point Arthur...and got a pardon on 9th Sept 1840.....he was one of the lucky ones.... married. one son became a catholic priest, a daughter sub matron at StJohns Hospital.... she died 1918.... another was a teacher.. and married a teacher.... they became first head teachers ... at Fingal and Ringarooma here in Tassie.... there were a few more children,as well they later lived in New Town Rd... where he had a boot shop... he lived to be 90odd and died around 1900.....that would have been a big secret.... we doubt that mum, or her mother ever knew about it.....I have a couple of those lovely old type studio pictures,.... of him.... he was never allowed back in London.....its now said..... they were always on the look out for people, who had trades.... and could help with rebuilding things out here.....anyway thats my convict story....I like to think he at least had some quality of life......in his later years..... he was one of the lucky ones... who didnt buckle.... under the extreme cruelty.... I often think of how it would have been.... between his sentencing date .... the sea voyage out.... and his arrival here.... in those dismal days of 1828.....Lizzie:wave:

[Lady Bump]

Know I wouldnt even have made it here with conditions on those ships:laughing: and then the harsh treatment doled out, most people try to hide their convict history but think really they should be proud.They werent all bad people,just victims, like youve just pointed out Joan.

[Lizziemaloo]

Know I wouldnt even have made it here with conditions on those ships:laughing: and then the harsh treatment doled out, most people try to hide their convict history but think really they should be proud.They werent all bad people,just victims, like youve just pointed out Joan.
Julie how true all that you said there..... we thought Benjamins wife Catherine.... may have been the convict, as she came out on her own from Ireland, when she was 16 during the potato famine era..... and nothing was ever said about it...... so we were very surprised... we were barking up the wrong tree.... with our theory,s.......its great to be able to talk about all this stuff isnt it, in these more enlightened times...Lizzie:wavey:

[Lady Bump]

Kb has one bad seed on his side, was a brother in the line they ended up hanging him In launi he was a bushranger, I have his convict records, and how he lived through the whippings he recieved is beyond me, and he escaped many times and relashed each time:3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lizziemaloo]

Kb has one bad seed on his side, was a brother in the line they ended up hanging him In launi he was a bushranger, I have his convict records, and how he lived through the whippings he recieved is beyond me, and he escaped many times and relashed each time:3rofl3: :3rofl3: Talking about bushrangers..... at my first job, after I left school, I met a girl, who had for an ancestor ...Matthew Brady... that well known Tassie bushranger.... at that time, we were all in awe of her.... much later, when the Tasman bridge, here in Hobart, was hit by a boat, and was out of action, for several years, a whole new saga of bushrangers, were once again, on the scene..... this time however, they were boats.... named after bushrangers.....Matthew Brady was one of them...... Lizzie:wave:

[Lady Bump]

Have you been up the midlands yet Joan and looked out that footpath.[think it was oatlands] where you could purchase a brick with your convict ancestors name on it?

[Lizziemaloo]

Have you been up the midlands yet Joan and looked out that footpath.[think it was oatlands] where you could purchase a brick with your convict ancestors name on it? Julie, I heard about it some time ago..... havent been up that way for yonks, should really.... put it on the must do list..I have a couple of other convict bricks... which I have carted all over the place..the colours, they are made from, are truly a work of art..... Lizzie:wave:

[Blanche]

Family sleuth rang last night to tell me our Welsh ancestors are mentioned in the Doomsday Book.....probably listed for raising chickens:3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3: :3rofl3:

[Lady Bump]

Ruffians Ol?:grin:

[Blanche]

Ruffians Ol?:grin:
:3rofl3: Unlikely to be law makers....loved their long bows I think:lmaoblue:

[Michael@ton]

:3rofl3: Unlikely to be law makers....loved their long bows I think:lmaoblue:

They sound like the modern day form of "baddies" LAWYERS, :D :D :D .

[Lady Bump]

You Know youre a Genealogy Addict when....

You Brake for libraries.
You Hyperventilate at the sight of an old cemetery.
You would rather read census schedules than a good book.
You are more interested in what happened in 1698 than 2006.
You think every home should have a copier and microfilm reader.
You know every registrar of deeds in the state by name, but they lock their doors when they see you comming.
You store your clothes under the bed, because your closet is full of books and papers.
All your correspondence begins "Dear Cousin"
You have traced every one of your ancestral lines back to Adam and Eve, have it documented, and still dont want to quit.....

[Sue@Home]

I am asking does anyone here be related to me by any chance?...
Henry Collett born 7 Jun. 1838
His wife Elizabeth Roberts,
Travelled to Ausralia on the SCHAH JEHAN from Gloucestershire England arrived at Adelaide South Australia on the 2nd Dec. 1860
we just might be related:MISSIN~18

[Kaye]

Know I'm not Susan, I'm too unlucky :3rofl3::3rofl3::3rofl3:

[Kitkat]

me either unless they dropped by to sun themselves on the Greek Islands and made detours via Switzerland and Egypt .....

[Kaye]

Wow Katina, that's a nice mixture. No relation to Omar Sharif by any stretch of the imagination are you?:thumb:

[Kitkat]

no .... not sure how my mothers family ended up in Eqypt as my Grandmother was born in Cyprus and they moved to Eqypt at some stage before coming to Australia.

My father's Grandmother was Swiss

[Kaye]

Sounds like a very interesting history Katina

[Forest Dweller]

I am asking does anyone here be related to me by any chance?...
Henry Collett born 7 Jun. 1838
His wife Elizabeth Roberts,
Travelled to Ausralia on the SCHAH JEHAN from Gloucestershire England arrived at Adelaide South Australia on the 2nd Dec. 1860
we just might be related:MISSIN~18

Not me Susan, mine floated in from Germany / Wales... The ones from England arrived in Tasmania... :laughing:

[Lady Bump]

All the blue bloods landed here Sassy:16wink:

[Forest Dweller]

Always knew there was more to me than meets the eye.

Something special.... :3rofl3::3rofl3::3rofl3:

[Lady Bump]

Guess we are related then princess:grin:

[Forest Dweller]

You got it!

[Sue@Home]

All the blue bloods landed here Sassy:16wink:
Hi Sas, we do have German Wales Welsh French English Scotland Ireland all I have to do is go google and type in Henry Collett and my whole history comes up on my mothers side of my family we even have a Dean in a scandel of the church to Henry the 8 th

[Kaye]

Who was Henry -2, never heard of him :lmaoblue::lmaoblue:

[Blanche]

Who was Henry -2, never heard of him :lmaoblue::lmaoblue:
:laughing::laughing:

[Sue@Home]

:laughing::laughing:
Ol, As you can see I'm not very good with numbers Sorry guy's I was up all night last night couldn't sleep.. to much to worry about I have to send all my family history to Don to fix up all my part of the family tree, I have to get the birth dates of all my grandchildren I have to get the numbers right:MISSIN~18

[Sue@Home]

Well, we also have in our family a captain of a ship who sailed with captain Cook

[Kaye]

Who was that Susan, captain Hook :lmaoblue::lmaoblue::lmaoblue:

[Sue@Home]

Who was that Susan, captain Hook :lmaoblue::lmaoblue::lmaoblue:
Another Collett Kaye they are everywhere:lmaoblue::lmaoblue::lmaoblue::lmaoblue:

[Sue@Home]

There was another who died in the first world war he was a fighter pilot and captain and one at Gallipolli at Lone Pine he was Henry Collett he was only in the army for 5 month's